Hyperspin not working at all

[Montclair]

Downloaded and installed to c:\Hyperspin. Double-clicked the executable and I get nothing. Task manager shows it running, but I get no interface, no sounds... nothing.

What are the system requirements? Does it require any other environments (.Net, etc)?

[brian_hoffman]

No it doesnt... Whats the Log say? Also you grabbed the whole torrent correct?

[Montclair]

Yes, entire torrent. Please specify location of log. I don't see one being generated anywhere.

[BadBoyBill]

There have only been a couple cases that this was reported, so far we havent narrowed it down yet, but I think its along the lines of when HS tries to get your desktop resolution settings.

[Peale]

Sounds like the issue I'm having. The only thing I didn't download from the torrent was some of the Neo Geo video files. I got everything else. I changed the resolution in C:\HyperSpin\Settings\settings.ini from 800x600 to 1024x768 with the same result.

[Montclair]

Changed my desktop resolution to 800 x 600 and got Hyperspin appearing on the task bar. Clicking it brings up a blank black window -- for whatever info that's worth.

[BadBoyBill]

It seems its not even getting to where the log starts to get built which is why you cant find it, it would make it in the same dir as the exe. I'll double check over my code some more to see if I can track any issues down.

[Peale]

Yes, entire torrent. Please specify location of log. I don't see one being generated anywhere.

Nor I.

[BadBoyBill]

Are you guys running vista?

[Peale]

XP here.

[Montclair]

XP Pro. I'm going to run sysinternals Filemon app, and see if i can give you some info on where it's stopping.

[BadBoyBill]

K, I have a small feeling of what might be the problem, I will need one of your emails, so PM me so I can send you a test build.

[Montclair]

Last file it seems to be accessing is inifile.dll, if that is of any assistance.

[brian_hoffman]

Also I like to ask if your video adapter drivers are up to date.

[casalej]

This has happened on my laptop as well
upon first execute I get nothing if i double click the exe again I get the black screen that Montclair refers to. I am going to try it on my other computer and my jpac cabinet and I will let you know the results.

[Montclair]

Video drivers are up to date. Video card is not the newest.

Have not tried this on my cab yet, but will later this evening.

[Montclair]

Confirmed casalej's experience. 800x600 was irrelevant to blank screen. Launching the application twice results in black screen, presumably because the second instance activates the first instance, then terminates (only one instance of hyperspin.exe remains running in task manager).

[brian_hoffman]

Hmm... Try on your secondary pc's Lets see if we can narrow it down to specific hardware.

[BadBoyBill]

try alt tab on the black screen just for curiosity

[Montclair]

Alt-tab functions properly and is not disabled. Also, no way to terminate other than through task manager.

[Peale]

I've got an ATI Radeon 9700. Drivers should be the latest. I've never had a problem with them.

XP Pro. 1024x768 resolution. Changing this resolution doesn't change anything.

[Montclair]

Going to take about an hour to copy that over to my cab (wireless with not so great wireless adapter). Will post results when done. Bill, I PM'd you my email address if you have another executable you want me to try also.

[BadBoyBill]

K, thanks, still working on the issue, doing some tests over here first.

[BadBoyBill]

I'm gonna email you a copy now, lemme know if theres any difference.

[Dazz]

Is everyone that is having an issue using an ATI card? I've only seen people that are having this issue state they are using an ATI card. Perhaps it could be something with the ATI drivers that are causing the issue... I know that ATI does not have the best drivers and never had anything but issues with them in the past... just wondering if that could be the common link here.

[BadBoyBill]

Good observation, didnt notice that myself.

[Montclair]

It's not just ATI. I'm running this system with a GeForce2 MX with Nvidia 6.14.10.5216 drivers. Also, no change on the updated exe you sent me, Bill.

[casalej]

OK I just tried my main computer and it works just fine. My laptop graphic chipset is intel.

[paulstevens]

Montclair - how old is the hardware, especially the video hardware, that you are using? Early on I was trying old video hardware circa 2001 and not having very good results, meaning it would not work. I'm not sure if the GeForce2 MX falls in that category or not.

[Dazz]

The GF2MX is pre 2000.

[Montclair]

It's right around that timeframe, however, it supports up to DirectX9 and dxdiag reports it fully supports Direct3d and DirectDraw - for whatever that is worth.

I'm putting it on my cab which is using a GeForce 6800, and will report back after I get it all copied over there.

[BadBoyBill]

Sent you another copy.

[paulstevens]

Yeah well the real question is whether or not Flash9 supports the old cards capabilities :-)

Let us know your results of the 6800 card and the next build BBB sent ya.

[Montclair]

I believe YouTube is Flash 9 -- and that works, although not very quickly. Flash is going to make all of its calls through various API's anyway, so it should work, but it may not be fast. Anyway, this machine is (obviously) older, but is primarily just for office work.

I'll post about the cab shortly.

[Montclair]

Works on the cab which is running Windows FLP (a microsoft version of XP lite) with the GeForce 6800.

[BadBoyBill]

Well Im glad to hear that, I'll be doing some more research today, thanks.

[gonzo90017]

I'm having the same issue.
Nvidia GeforceFX 5200

[Dazz]

There has got to be something that older video cards are having difficulty with... I have yet to see this happen with more modern video cards. Everything posted has been on older hardware pre 2001 as stated in a previous post.

[philby85]

Hi guys,

Same issue here, running tiny xp. I have an ati 9550 card installed amd athlon 1.2g.

cheers

Phil

[scrapple]

not sure if this is it, but the newsgroup version was set to run in windows mode..
make sure your settings.ini states:

[Resolution]
FullScreen = true
Width = 1024
Height = 768
ColorDepth = 32
Refreshrate = 60
DirectDraw = true

[BadBoyBill]

Sorry to hear that Phil, were doing everything we can to get to the bottom of the cause.

[Peale]

Switching to fullscreen instead of windowed didn't help me.

[Modab]

Mine also fails to display on launch. I have an ATI Radeon 9500 Pro card. Let me know if there's anything I should test.

[philby85]

Sorry to hear that Phil, were doing everything we can to get to the bottom of the cause.


Cheers BBB,

Congrats on the open beta you and the team should be very proud!

many thanks

Phil

[The Loafer]

I know everyone seems to be using the latest video drivers but have you guys tried the latest MS approved drivers? (located through MS update?)

[scrapple]

try booting your pc in safe mode, and once loaded try HS... see what happens

[animatrix]

the same trouble the screen black :dontknow::dontknow::dontknow:

[brian_hoffman]

Animatrix,
What are your system specs (Hardware type) ? Do you have access to another PC? Are the ability to try a newer GFX card?

[animatrix]

proisesador 2.2GHz.
ram 1000mb
video NVIDIA Gforce fx 5600xt 128 mb

[brian_hoffman]

Do you have access to a PC with a newer GFX card? Not better.... But newer..

Something is causing the video to not render and we think it has to do with older gfx cards.

[BadBoyBill]

Anyone want me to email em some test copies and willing to work with me closely on checking different things to see if we can get it to work for those that are getting the black screen or not loading up? Maybe in the U.S. and willing to chat on the phone also.

[brian_hoffman]

I may get some access to some older gfx cards... If I can replicate the issue Ill send you the offending card.

[BadBoyBill]

Unfortunately I'm laptoping it for now, so that part will have to wait but we can work together to get it fixed on your end.

[animatrix]

Do you have access to a PC with a newer GFX card? Not better.... But newer..

Something is causing the video to not render and we think it has to do with older gfx cards.

no men alone my PC

[BadBoyBill]

Maybe mess with some of the settings like a lower resolution or setting directdraw to false.

[brian_hoffman]

Billy you can feel free to use the logmein acct

[BadBoyBill]

Alright brians gonna let me use his logmein.com account, if anyone has the black screen or no launch problem then let me know if your willing to let me login to your computer and try out different trial builds.

[paulstevens]

Also what is the OS version?

We've run HS on standard flavors of XP and Vista. I don't know if anyone has tried it on Win2000 or not. It has worked well for me with TinyXP Beast.

Also be sure that -all- files got downloaded. In particular there must be a DEFAULT.PNG in the wheel directories or HS won't load. That's not to say there are other problems, but that is a known problem with an easy fix.

[Modab]

I know I have the correct files because I got it to work on a computer with a newer video card. I will mess around with safe mode and direct draw acceleration options next. My system is Windows XP.

[Dazz]

Also what is the OS version?

We've run HS on standard flavors of XP and Vista. I don't know if anyone has tried it on Win2000 or not. It has worked well for me with TinyXP Beast.

Also be sure that -all- files got downloaded. In particular there must be a DEFAULT.PNG in the wheel directories or HS won't load. That's not to say there are other problems, but that is a known problem with an easy fix.When it is the missing default.png HS at least creates the log file stating that the default.png is missing. From what I understand with this issue the log file is not getting created...

[BadBoyBill]

Im online with Phil right now and were messing with getting this fixed.

[Modab]

Changing Graphics Card acceleration levels got me nowhere, as did changing resolutions. As far as I can tell, no log file is created when I launch the program, unless it puts it somewhere besides the hyperspin root directory. It remains running in the background, but I can't tell what it's doing. When I launch it a second time (while it is running in the background) the screen goes black, and it shows up on my taskbar. It notably does <strong>not</strong> show up on the taskbar the first time it launches, only the second.

[Dazz]

Changing Graphics Card acceleration levels got me nowhere, as did changing resolutions. As far as I can tell, no log file is created when I launch the program, unless it puts it somewhere besides the hyperspin root directory. It remains running in the background, but I can't tell what it's doing. When I launch it a second time (while it is running in the background) the screen goes black, and it shows up on my taskbar. It notably does <strong>not</strong> show up on the taskbar the first time it launches, only the second.Have you tried shutting down and then rebooting into Safe Mode in Windows? Once in Safe Mode, launch HyperSpin and see if you get the same thing or if the application runs correctly. More than likely it will be choppy, but might possibly run. This would point to a possible video card driver issue.

[Modab]

I just tried booting it from safe mode, and got the same exact results. Would it be useful to run filemon or regmon or another tool to trace things? It's unhelpful that I can't find a debug file.

[paulstevens]

Can you post your settings.ini here or somewhere (not sure if you did that in the other thread)

[Modab]

Sure. I tried at different times.
fullscreen = true
.
width = 800 height = 600
.
directdraw = false


[Main]
Menu_Mode = multi
Single_Mode_Name = MAME

[Resolution]
FullScreen = false
Width = 1024
Height = 768
ColorDepth = 32
Refreshrate = 60
DirectDraw = true

[Wheel]
WheelSpeed = high
HyperSpin = high

[Trackball]
Enabled = yes
Sensitivity = 50

[IntroVideo]
Use_Intro = false

[Sound]
Master_Volume = 100
Video_Volume = 100

[AttractMode]
Active = true
Time = 60
MaxSpinTime = 10
HyperSpin = true

[Main Controls]
Start = 13
Exit = 27

[P1 Controls]
Up = 38
Down = 40
SkipUp = 37
SkipDown = 39
HyperSpin = 32
Genre = 71

[P2 Controls]
Up = 87
Down = 83
SkipUp = 65
SkipDown = 68
HyperSpin = 88
Genre = 72

[Startup Program]
Executable =
Paramaters =
Working_Directory =
WinState =

[Exit Program]
Executable =
Paramaters =
Working_Directory =
WinState =

[BadBoyBill]

K everyone just got off Phil's computer and ran quite a few test. I kept removing code and removing code all the way until it wasnt even HyperSpin anymore and was just on minor initialization step in the code. So I know for sure its not any video card issue necessarily or anything like that. I've narrowed down to two possible problems.
1. A bug in the compiler.
2. Or possibly a missing service or something that is needed on the end users computer to run the program.

In the end all I had compiled was a simple red square to show up on the screen with no code and it still failed.

One thing to mention Phil had 3 computers, got it working on 2 and the one he had issues with had tinyxp on it.

This is the second person that I know that had the problem and it was only on tinyxp. Not their other computers. So I am going to make some phone calls and get some extra support on the possible issue, since I now know its not me.

Also there is the possibility that it might be two issues and we just couldnt get to the second issue. Meaning that his launches and stays in the task manager where others are actually getting to a black screen. I'll keep everyone informed and I'm sure this issue can get resolved.

[Modab]

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[Modab]

Also there is the possibility that it might be two issues and we just couldnt get to the second issue. Meaning that his launches and stays in the task manager where others are actually getting to a black screen. I'll keep everyone informed and I'm sure this issue can get resolved.
I just want to note that when I launch the first time it stays in the task manager. It is only when I launch it a second time with the first process still running do I get to a black screen.

[philby85]

I just want to note that when I launch the first time it stays in the task manager. It is only when I launch it a second time with the first process still running do I get to a black screen.

Same here for me also.

cheers

Phil

[BadBoyBill]

I just want to note that when I launch the first time it stays in the task manager. It is only when I launch it a second time with the first process still running do I get to a black screen.

Right if your getting it to do this then its the exact symtom of the bug i discussed above. Run twice then black screen. This one is out of my hands for now and will try to get it fixed as soon as possible. Thanks.

[philby85]

Hi BBB,

Just loading up another HD with xp pro on the same machine you worked on.
Will let you know asap. Shouldn't be too long.

cheers

Phil

[brian_hoffman]

Are you installing a full win install.. or an Nlited or tiny build?

[BadBoyBill]

Oh great idea phil, this will eliminate the possibility of a hardware issue if it works, thanks for taking time to do that.

[philby85]

Are you installing a full win install.. or an Nlited or tiny build?

XP pro SP2 full.

cheers

Phil

[philby85]

Ok, just tried another HD with winxp pro installed on the same machine as BBB tried.
The previous drive had tiny xp installed.

I get the same problem, launch once nothing, launch twice blank screen.

cheers

Phil

[Montclair]

K everyone just got off Phil's computer and ran quite a few test. I kept removing code and removing code all the way until it wasnt even HyperSpin anymore and was just on minor initialization step in the code. So I know for sure its not any video card issue necessarily or anything like that. I've narrowed down to two possible problems.
1. A bug in the compiler.
2. Or possibly a missing service or something that is needed on the end users computer to run the program.

That's interesting and unexpected. Could it have to do with you compiling in a different version of flash than what's on the end user's machine? I don't know anything about how flash compiles and what the resulting dependencies are.

Also, as it runs on Windows XP FLP (Fundamentals for Legacy PCs - which is a Microsoft version of XP Lite that hardly anyone knows about) on my cab, for which I have most services turned off - I'd doubt it would be a missing service running.

In other words, it runs fine on XP FLP, and won't run on my XP Pro box.



Also there is the possibility that it might be two issues and we just couldnt get to the second issue. Meaning that his launches and stays in the task manager where others are actually getting to a black screen. I'll keep everyone informed and I'm sure this issue can get resolved.

You probably already know this but It has to be running twice to get the black screen. Alt-tabbing out shows it on the task bar as well.

[Montclair]

Ok, just tried another HD with winxp pro installed on the same machine as BBB tried.
The previous drive had tiny xp installed.

I get the same problem, launch once nothing, launch twice blank screen.

cheers

Phil

This must be a flash compiler issue with older hardware, as Phil can't get it running on a fresh XP install.

Phil, do you have a newer video card you can put in the box while running the fresh XP install? Also, I wonder what would happen if the video card drivers were replaced with the Microsoft "Standard VGA" driver.

[The Loafer]

Has anyone tried just switching video cards to help determine if this is the issue? If someone puts a newer vid card in the machnie (and assuming it works) then it at least confirms the video card is part of the issue. FYI, I'm running hyperspin initially on my mame desktop and it has an Nvidia GeForceTI4400, not a new video card, and it works just fine. Something else to consider, BIOS settings. I doubt this would have an effect, but maybe those with a problem should check their settings for AGP video memory allocated size, speed of slot, etc. It should NOT have an effect, but you never know.

[paulstevens]

HS runs standalone, self contained. It is not dependent on any Flash stuff that may or may not be installed on the computer it runs on. Most likely this is a compiler issue.

Unfortunately the core team only has limited hardware to test with, so switching out video cards is not practical. Perhaps one of the users with this problem can try.

For now the leaning is a compiler issue with AMD processors (with one posted exception)

[gonzo90017]

I disabled my video card through device manager and rebooted but I still get the black screen.

[Lochnar]

video codecs? I know that I had trouble with my Mala at one time because of this, but those video snaps were also Xvids.

[scrapple]

you know whats weird and I noticed this before...

you will get a black screen and you cant do anything about it if you have xml issues in your database files... and you have to ctrl-alt-delete out of it....
i had this issue with my mame.xml database file one time after i screwed up and forgot to put a / in there, fixed it, and it worked fine the next time i booted hyperspin...

copy the following code and place it in your databases/main menu/main menu.xml file (just delete the other code in their and replace it with the following)

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="iso-8859-1"?>
<menu>
<game name="MAME" />
<game name="Atari 5200" />
<game name="Atari Lynx" />
<game name="Nintendo Entertainment System" />
<game name="Super Nintendo Entertainment System" />
<game name="Nintendo 64" />
<game name="Gameboy Advance" />
<game name="Sega Master System" />
<game name="Sega Genesis" />
<game name="Sega CD" />
<game name="Sega 32X" />
<game name="Sega Dreamcast" />
<game name="Sega Game Gear" />
<game name="TurboGrafx 16" />
<game name="Neo Geo" />
<game name="Neo Geo Pocket Color" />
<game name="Panasonic 3DO" />
<game name="Sony Playstation" />
<game name="Daphne" />
<game name="Zinc" />
<game name="Future Pinball" />
</menu>

[Peale]

That's the same thing I already have in there. I replaced it anyway...no change.

[gonzo90017]

Same here.

[animatrix]

still does not work shall change my card Video :bawling:

[Banacek]

Nothing opens for me as well. My cab is running XP SP3 with an Athlon XP and an ArcadeVGA AGP video card. I just installed Flash as well. I'm not running TinyXP.

[Dazz]

This appears to be an issue with older CPU's. Everyone, except one person, has an Athlon XP. I tested on my kids machine which is an XP 2100+ and the same thing happens. We are not sure if it is the compiler that is causing the issue or just how these processors handle AS3 scripting. Bill is aware of the issue and investigating the root cause.

[scrapple]

Athlon xp 3200 here and works fine

[Montclair]

Works on my Athlon 64 FX-55. Doesn't on my Athlon K7.

[billpa]

Athlon xp 3200 here and works fine

Just want to confirm. You have the Athlon XP 3200 and not the Athlon 64 3200?

[Peale]

I have an older PC networked to my main house PC. It's a PIII with an NVidia card of some kind (GeForce 2 I think). Running XP. Blank screen after running twice.

[scrapple]

ill dbl check when i get home...

[RCade]

Just to add a me too,

I'm also experiencing the same bug everyone else is reporting. I.E, nothing visible when first run, click on the .exe a second time and a black screen and nothing else.

My specs are:

AthlonXP 3.2
Nvidia 6600
1GB ram

Not the greatest of spec's but good enough i would have thought. Any help i can give i'll only be too happy to oblige

RCade
www.emuchrist.org

[paulstevens]

billpa has found plenty of complaints in the flash/AS3 world about adobe flash vs AMD xp processors, especially socketA cpu's. Unfortunately it appears this is a problem not unique to HS.

There is effort underway to see if there is some sort of patch or workaround for this.

So much for AMD X86 compatibility -or- so much for Adobe testing their product on AMD platforms.

[Banacek]

For the record, I just tested it on my Mac Pro running Vista 64-bit SP1 and it ran like a dream. If I need to upgrade my cabinet I think I'm ok with that, but I don't think a lot of other people will be.

[EvilDindon]

HS works fine on my 3800X2 + 9600 GT, but i got a blank screen on my kid's PC based on a XP2000 + ArcadeVGA !

I hope this is not ArcadeVGA's fault !

[EvilDindon]

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[Dazz]

HS works fine on my 3800X2 + 9600 GT, but i got a blank screen on my kid's PC based on a XP2000 + ArcadeVGA !

I hope this is not ArcadeVGA's fault !No, I'm pretty sure that we have ruled out this being a video card issue. Besides ArcadeVGA has been tested with HyperSpin.

[shmokes]

Same thing.

Athlon XP 2600+
ATI All-In-Wonder 9700
512 MB RAM
Windows XP Pro

It works fine on my desktop which is a P4 3.6Ghz with an ATI Radeon X800 running Vista Ultimate.

[BadBoyBill]

K, thanks for letting us know, looks like another athlon. Has anyone non athlon had issues? My computer that I started making HS in was an athlon 3200 which worked fine for me.

[paulstevens]

I seem to recall two instances of non-Athlon issues: one was a centrino the other a pentium D, if I recall correctly.

[paulstevens]

Yep, only two. Here is a cut and paste of the posts. Can the authors mattbode and casalej chime in and offer more details?

mattbode, 08-07-2008

I am also having this problem...

Hate to ruin your hypothesis of AMD's but my I have am Intel Pentium D

CPU: Intel Pentium D 3.60GHz
Memory: 2 GB
Video: Radeon X1300
Windows XP Pro SP2
Res: 1280x1024

Hope this helps... I really want to try it!

-------------

casalej 08-07-2008, 05:45 PM
1. CPU - Intel Centrino Duo 1.6ghz
2. Video - Intel
3. System Memory - 512MB
4. Operating System - XP MCE
5. Desktop resolution & Color quality - 1280X800 & 32bit
6. Please post the contents of your Hyperspin\Settings\settings.ini file.
[Main]
Menu_Mode = multi
Single_Mode_Name = MAME

[Resolution]
FullScreen = false
Width = 800
Height = 600
ColorDepth = 32
Refreshrate = 60
DirectDraw = true

[Wheel]
WheelSpeed = high
HyperSpin = high

[Trackball]
Enabled = yes
Sensitivity = 50

[IntroVideo]
Use_Intro = false

[Sound]
Master_Volume = 100
Video_Volume = 100

[AttractMode]
Active = true
Time = 60
MaxSpinTime = 10
HyperSpin = true

[Main Controls]
Start = 13
Exit = 27

[P1 Controls]
Up = 38
Down = 40
SkipUp = 37
SkipDown = 39
HyperSpin = 32
Genre = 71

[P2 Controls]
Up = 87
Down = 83
SkipUp = 65
SkipDown = 68
HyperSpin = 88
Genre = 72

[Startup Program]
Executable =
Paramaters =
Working_Directory =
WinState =

[Exit Program]
Executable =
Paramaters =
Working_Directory =
WinState =

[mattbode]

Yeah, what else would you like to know?

My mother board is a:

Gigabyte GA-8I945G

I haven't changed any settings in the .ini files.

I'll test it in my computer that will actually be in my cabinet.. I'm just trying it out on my desktop at the moment.

[billpa]

this totally looks like an AMD xp issue. And I would guess that it has to do with it's SSE instruction set. Pentium 4s started incorporating SSE2 while AMD didn't make the move until there 64 line of procs. This would also explain why Peale couldn't run it on his Pentium 3. The only one that seems to work is the athlon 3200 (scrapple confirmed that as well as BBB) which is weird because that was the last of the proc using the same instruction set.

[BadBoyBill]

Thanks for the help, research and info, this will help getting the problem fixed possibly.

[scrapple]

k, i have an athlon 64 3200....works fine...

[paulstevens]

Yeah, what else would you like to know?

My mother board is a:

Gigabyte GA-8I945G

I haven't changed any settings in the .ini files.

I'll test it in my computer that will actually be in my cabinet.. I'm just trying it out on my desktop at the moment.

Can you verify that you have DEFAULT.PNG in your main menu wheel directory /media/main menu/images/wheel

What sort of things have you tried to get it going?

[mattbode]

Can you verify that you have DEFAULT.PNG in your main menu wheel directory /media/main menu/images/wheel

What sort of things have you tried to get it going?

Yes default.png is in there.

I haven't played with the settings file at all. I have put Mame in the default directory specified in the config file. Although it should at least start up even if Mame was not there, right?

I have tried different resolutions... haven't had much time to play around yet.
Any suggestions to try?

Hopefully having a different CPU and the same error to everyone else actually helps instead of confusing you all even more :)

[mattbode]

I tried it on another computer:
CPU: Athlon 1.15 Ghz
Graphics: ArcadeVGA
With an Arcade monitor on 600 x 800

and the same thing occured... I will test it on other computers in my house too.

Have other people with this problem tested it on other computers with the same files and were able to get it working?

[billpa]

k, i have an athlon 64 3200....works fine...

That makes more sense. BBB, was your athlon 3200 a 64 or xp?

[BadBoyBill]

Actually I think its a 64

[billpa]

So i think you can narrow it down to all AMD CPUs prior to Athlon 64 (including all socket A CPUs) and all Intel CPUs prior to Pentium 4.

[BadBoyBill]

Thanks for helping on this bill, thats pretty good info there. I should have some word tomorrow on this subject.

[cbcellmanms7]

i get black screen on my cab as well...im running an athlon xp 1500....

[shmokes]

I'm feverishly trying to finish my cab this week, in time for a party Saturday night. I hope I can run Hyperspin on it . . . :) Good luck on resolving the Athlon problem!

[cbcellmanms7]

Hey bill, is this an issue with athlon xps not supporting sse 2? just wondering if i am gonna have to upgrade to get hyperspin to work on my cab....thanks for all your hard work!

[BadBoyBill]

This might be the case, but I am going to see what I can do on getting it to work on non sse2 enabled pc's, I will be doing some testing tonight and tomorrow.

[BadBoyBill]

You guys can also try a couple things also.

Solution 1: Update the BIOS.
If an updated BIOS with SSE (Streaming SIMD Extensions) support is available from the motherboard manufacturer's website, download and install it.
Solution 2: Enable SSE.
If your processor supports SSE, make sure it is enabled.
To enable SSE, do one or both of the following tasks:
-- Download and install the latest BIOS for the motherboard.
-- Download WCPUID, a freeware utility that displays information about your computer's CPU, from http://hp.vector.co.jp/authors/VA002374/src/download.html (http://hp.vector.co.jp/authors/VA002374/src/download.html). Follow the on-screen instructions to install and run it. If WCPUID indicates that your processor supports SSE, choose Tweaks > AMD Athlon MP/4 SSE Control > SSE Enable to enable SSE.

Note: Using WCPUID to enable SSE requires you to reenable SSE each time you restart the computer.

[shmokes]

Installed WCPUID and it shows that SSE is supported, but doesn't give me the tweak option you describe to enable it. Here's a screenshot of what I see when I click the tweak menu.

[Banacek]

SSE is enabled on my CPU, and no dice.

[BadBoyBill]

sse2?

[Banacek]

sse2?

Ah, SSE2. You should probably change that post :) SSE2 is disabled and not able to be enabled in the BIOS on my machine.

[shmokes]

I don't understand how a BIOS update could enable SSE2 on any 32-bit Athlon XP. The firmware can't possibly enable SSE2 on processors that don't support SSE2 can it? I mean, if you're not running an Athlon XP I can see how a firmware update might help, but from the sounds of it if you're not running an Athlon XP (or Pentium 3) Hyperspin's already working on your machine.

[Ego-X]

You are correct AthlonXP doesn't have SSE2

[shmokes]

So, is there a prognosis on this? Does it look like the Athlon will just have to be written off, or is there a fix in sight? And if there is a fix are we thinking it's days, weeks, or months away?

I ask because I'm about to set up the software on a new cab. If Hyperspin Athlon support is weeks out, I'll set up something else, but if it's a few days out I'll postpone.

Thanks for all your work, guys. It looks incredible.

[brian_hoffman]

Billy is working on finding a fix. While an Athlon is a nice cpu.. I had several at one point. It doesnt compare to a core2duo. If you have access to another mb/cpu Id use it. You emulation will be a much better experince on that hardware as well.

We have 0 time frame on the fix. This is for various reasons one of the biggest issues is we dont have access to the hardware to replicate it. However it is being pursued.

Brian Hoffman

[ratsflif]

I posted about the same problem durring the private beta. I have the exact same results in my cab but it works perfectly on my two laptops. In the cab pc I have a Athlon XP 2800+ and a Arcade VGA 2 graphics card.

[shmokes]

I'd love to throw a Core 2 Duo into my machine, but I've already got the Athlon processor. Sometime down the road maybe I'll upgrade my desktop machine and put my P4 3.6 Ghz in the arcade cabinet, but that's a ways down the road. For the foreseeable future I'm stuck with an Athlon and, unfortunately, Mala :)

[BadBoyBill]

No prob, thanks for trying.

[GameTech]

Damn, same problem.... I downloaded the entire Torrent... launched Spin and get a black screen...nothing else... Running:

Windows 2000 PRO
NVidia drivers
1 gig ram

:( bummer... this looked like a nice FE...

Thanks for any help

[AllisterFiend]

Damn, same problem.... I downloaded the entire Torrent... launched Spin and get a black screen...nothing else... Running:

Windows 2000 PRO
NVidia drivers
1 gig ram

:( bummer... this looked like a nice FE...

Thanks for any help


What CPU are you using? (I'm pretty sure it's an AMD at this point :), but at least we will have another documented.)

Allister Fiend

[brian_hoffman]

It can be any cpu that doesnt support sse2 instruction sets.
At least it seems.

We're still working on this issue.

[mattbode]

If that is the case then why is my Pentium D having the same issues?
I'm pretty sure that the Pentium D has SSE2 and SSE3.
Do you need to enable it or is it enabled by default?

Matt

[Cakemeister]

Do y'all need a motherboard/CPU for testing?

I'm about 99% sure I can scrounge up something.

[billpa]

If that is the case then why is my Pentium D having the same issues?
I'm pretty sure that the Pentium D has SSE2 and SSE3.
Do you need to enable it or is it enabled by default?

Matt

Hey Matt...just did a little research. Maybe this helps...straight from Intel's website


Microsoft DirectX* 8.1 (or later)
Microsoft DirectX 8.1 supports Streaming SIMD Instructions 2 (SSE2) for the processor and is not included in the latest Microsoft operating systems. This version of DirectX is not included in Microsoft operating systems. A system that does not have DirectX 8.1 installed will not be able to take advantage of the 144 new SSE2 processor instructions that are supported by the Intel® Celeron® D processor. Neglecting to update DirectX can reduce your system performance.

I would check that out first. Let me know if that helps or not. I am only assuming its an instruction set issue because of the same problems with the Athlon XPs. It might not be.

[mattbode]

I installed Directx 9.0c and it still had the same error with nothing coming up then a blank screen after trying to open Hyperspin again.

Anything else I can help test with?

[BadBoyBill]

I'm still working on this bug. I'm still waiting on a debugger thats supposed to be sent to me but havent gotten it yet and I cant work on it anymore till then. I'll keep you informed.

[Peale]

Downloaded the update, no change. :(

[Banacek]

Downloaded the update, no change. :(

Damn. Oh well.

[ikicksnails]

AMD Athlon + XP Pro, black screen here as well. This front end looks amazing, I hope this issue gets ironed out.

[Banacek]

Any progress so far?

[basinski]

The same here Athlon XP 2500+ , then also im in queue to wait for fix with support non SSE2 cpu

[jellybelly]

I have a Pentium IV 3.2 and Radeon 9550 with the latest drivers running Vista Ultimate -- same thing as the others. Nothing the first time, and black screen the second time.

[thintwowin]

I was editing my mame databases file and when i was entering name after a copy and paste.
I deleted too many keys on </description>

<game name="2020bb">
<description>2020 Super Baseball/description> ( should be </description>)
<cloneof></cloneof>
<crc></crc>
<manufacturer>SNK/Pallas</manufacturer>
<year>1991</year>
<genre></genre>
</game>

and I got a black screen when going to mame menu
had to put the "<" back in for it to run
hope this might help:)

[The Loafer]

I have a Pentium IV 3.2 and Radeon 9550 with the latest drivers running Vista Ultimate -- same thing as the others. Nothing the first time, and black screen the second time.

That can't be the same issue, I'm pretty sure a Pentium IV 3.2 has the SSE2 support that's required.

[jellybelly]

Is it 100% certain that it's a SSE2 issue? Seems odd to me that it would be a SSE2 issue for everyone else and just my system exhibits the exact same behaviour.

[The Loafer]

Well, not sure, but I thought I read that a couple of other issues could cause the "black screen" error.

[kaleniX]

Hi all, any word on this one being fixed? I have the same issue. Try to run hs.exe and I get a flash and back to desktop. If i then run again, I get the black screen.

I'm running Windows XP SP2 on my cab machine, GeForce FX5600, AthlonXP 2200.

I was looking forward to testing out Hyperspin and possibly having it take over full-time FE duties for Mamewah. Not looking good so far :(

[Banacek]

I'd like to know too. If it's a definite "no" on the Athon Xp CPUs then I'd just move on. Thanks.

[Peale]

Someone posted that there was a fix for this. Thought it would be announced in this thread. It's not! So here's a free bump, and start looking around the site for the fix.

[BadBoyBill]

Ya hang tight we have to do some more testing with it for a bit because it seems that the new exe is having a few slowdown issues that need to be fixed, if I can fix those issues then all future releases after this point will be with the new compiler.

[Banacek]

Ya hang tight we have to do some more testing with it for a bit because it seems that the new exe is having a few slowdown issues that need to be fixed, if I can fix those issues then all future releases after this point will be with the new compiler.

Oh that's awesome! I can't wait!

[kaleniX]

Excellent, looking forward to testing HyperSpin out soon then :)

[Peale]

*shakes fist* work faster! FASTER!!!!!!!!!!!

[BadBoyBill]

send me your email

[Peale]

:D

[Banacek]

send me your email

Let me know if you need another tester :)

[Dazz]

BTW - anyone that is having this issue and gets the new .exe you will need to turn of the advanced transitions. I tested the new fix on a AMD XP 1300+ and the transitions made everything way too slow. Removing the advanced transition really made a difference in speed.

[Cannonadek]

I have the same problem as the others here. If you need another body to help I would be more than happy to. It works on my intel machine but not my older AMD 1900+.

[Peale]

Thanks for the new exe. I have just tried it, and it appears to run just fine. Need to tweak things a bit, because it is a bit jumpy, but that's to be expected.

[BadBoyBill]

You can try to set backgrounds to not use advanced animations which is on by default which has seemed to help alot of people.

[Peale]

BTW - anyone that is having this issue and gets the new .exe you will need to turn of the advanced transitions. I tested the new fix on a AMD XP 1300+ and the transitions made everything way too slow. Removing the advanced transition really made a difference in speed.

Where do I turn this off?

[BadBoyBill]

First get the latest package download 0.6.0.6, you have 0.6.0.7 but you need the ini files from the package.

In Settings/Settings.ini you'll see a background section like this:

[Backgrounds]
Animated = true
UseAdvanced = true

Animated = false will turn off background animations off all together, but leave this true for now.
UseAdvanced = false will only turn off some background animations which are the ones with blurry effects and that kind of stuff.

So first set useadvanced to false then if you need to turn animated to false afterwards.

[basinski]

great guys , im happy to see Hyperspin going to fix update, hope will be works also in my Athlon.

[Banacek]

I'll be testing this when I get home later tonight on an Athlon XP 3000+.

[Peale]

I actually didn't notice any speed difference between any of them, so I turned them all back on.

[The Loafer]

Peale, some of the background cpu intensive animations are random in popping up, they don't appear every flick of the wheel, so leave them on and keep going one by one through the wheel, letting the animation finish on every theme. Then retry with those options disabled; you'll notice the difference then.

[Banacek]

I'm very happy to say that the beta version is working! I'm going to be putting this through the paces tonight, I'll report back.

CPU: Athlon XP 3000+
Mem: 2 Gigs
Video: ArcadeVGA AGP

Let me know what other specs you need.

[shmokes]

How exciting. Can't wait to install it and give it a shot. Thanks for all the hard work.

[JinxedSoul]

Awesome.
I'll give this a test tomorrow

[IG-88]

Just chiming in to say that I got the same result as all the other Atholon users.

My system specs are:
AMD Athlon XP 1.61 gHz
Tiny XP Revision 02
1 GB ram
Vid Card, XGI Volari V3 128mb

Upgraded to v.0.6.0.7 and now works. I did however have to shut off the UseAdvance=False otherwise it was really choppy. (still is a little) I would assume this is because of the weak processor.

I do have to click twice on the .exe in order to get it to run however. 1st time = no response, 2nd time = runs. I'll try it in the startup folder and see if it works.

************************************************** **************************

OK. Tried it out in startup folder and it boots right into it. Weird.

I must say this sure looks fantastic compared to Game Launcher that I'm so used too :)

[BadBoyBill]

Think this next version I have might fix any issues you have, not as far as the choppiness but starting it up. If you can test this on the 0.7.0.1 release tonight.

[JinxedSoul]

AMD athlon 2600+ (1.9ghz)
1.5gigs ram

Works like a charm
i don't seem to get choppy wheel at all.