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david-king
09-01-2008, 06:12 AM
Will Hyperspin work on Linux? A quick search only showed 2 threads mentioning linux. Don't really fancy running Wine or Windows :-S
Still looks lovely though!
patentpending85
09-02-2008, 03:06 PM
I don't know about anyone else, but I think it would be pretty awesome to see Hyperspin on a PS3 running linux.
BadBoyBill
09-02-2008, 03:08 PM
I could do a linux version but I dont think there would be enough demand for it for me to spend that much time on it. I think I'll just be concentrating on the Windows version.
berky2755
11-09-2008, 02:57 PM
That's interesting. I would have thought that most people would want to run Linux instead of windows. I know I do :)
Are there any limitations you would run into?
edit: I'm still researching all this and plan to help a friend build a cabinet. Just looking at all options at this point.
xerox4100
11-30-2008, 05:44 PM
Linux would be a great alternative to be honest i don't want to spend $130 on a OS just so that i can put a Front End on top of it.
I'm sure there are some happy linux users out there who'd love HS on linux, but the truth is linux users make up a VERY small portion of PC users. It's simply not worth the effort and time on such a small group of users.
Most PC's capable of running HS would already come with XP, or another option is to illegally run XP and after the initial setup, just disconnect it from the network and get no further updates from MS. Viruses, security holes and updates aren't really a problem for a standalone game machine.
Wade
SleepDeprived
12-14-2008, 03:49 PM
Well, I would like to see a Linux version so that i can use it on my PS3. If you do make a Linux version, is it possible to add PS3 to the wheel, which would reboot the system to the XMB? I'm building an arcade cabinet based around a PS3, so it would be great to have a front-end with PS3 specific functions.
Well, I would like to see a Linux version so that i can use it on my PS3. If you do make a Linux version, is it possible to add PS3 to the wheel, which would reboot the system to the XMB? I'm building an arcade cabinet based around a PS3, so it would be great to have a front-end with PS3 specific functions.
Let me rephrase what BBB posted above about Linux: It ISN'T going to happen, please stop asking about it. ;)
Wade
KidFlash
10-12-2009, 09:38 PM
Let me rephrase what BBB posted above about Linux: It ISN'T going to happen, please stop asking about it. ;)
That's a shame. You'd be surprised about the demand if you had a Linux version. Several Linux users don't voice their demand because they know a majority of people will say exactly what you have. Therefore, the pass you by and do something on their own. It can be a good way to neglect your way out of a following.
I do loads of advertising within a Linux community locally and this would be something up their alley. Specifically for a large group of fellows who actively hold old school console tournaments.
I would hope that you would one day reconsider. I know several users that would easily donate for such an innovative product.
thomder
10-12-2009, 09:51 PM
Sorry to add to this as I don't want to be harassing BBB if he is not keen to think about this but a linux version would not only mean PS3 and PC linux but also MacOSX, and as far as I know, although there are some decent emulators on the mac there are very few frontends and nothing that compares to HS.
It would be awesome for Mac users to be able to gain access to such a great project.
I am actually running Hyperspin on a Mac on which I installed a double-boot windows.
SophT
10-12-2009, 11:04 PM
here comes the multi-quote:
I could do a linux version but I dont think there would be enough demand for it for me to spend that much time on it...
if you're willing to do that then do a unix port so it can be (re)ported to linux and OSX instead :P
Are there any limitations you would run into?
Other HS utilities (hyperlaunch, hyperlist, etc...) are windows based and some even require the .net framework to run, so you'd still need another machine to 'manage' your HS setup. In addition to general lack of support.
If you do make a Linux version, is it possible to add PS3 to the wheel, which would reboot the system to the XMB?
HS already the the feature to start a program on exit. so just make a little restart bash/shell script and call that on HS exit. done.
ckergald
10-13-2009, 01:49 PM
I prefer linux and would use hyperspin on linux if possible.
skorianez
12-30-2009, 10:40 AM
Hyperspin on Linux please.
Hyperspin on Linux please.Not going to happen.
sneakily1
12-31-2009, 12:20 PM
What about just posting the source code and then if people want to try and mod it and compile it for linux themselves...problem solved. Just state that there's no support for what people do with the modded source, and maybe create it's own forum thread so those of us who decide to mess it up can support eachother through our findings. I'm an avid user of all operating systems and would love to tinker around with a linux port of HS if someone tried to create one.
SophT
12-31-2009, 04:36 PM
I think it's beyond a simple source port - there are dependencies on windows packages that just aren't available on Linux.
Why not try that new FE (sorry, can't remember the name) that's been posted over at BYOAC that's similar to HS (wheel, etc...) for Linux?
sneakily1
12-31-2009, 09:48 PM
Understandable. I'll look into that SophT...I don't check that forum, guess I should start.
SophT
12-31-2009, 11:32 PM
ah, cabrio FE - that's what it's called.
What about just posting the source code and then if people want to try and mod it and compile it for linux themselves...problem solved. Just state that there's no support for what people do with the modded source, and maybe create it's own forum thread so those of us who decide to mess it up can support eachother through our findings. I'm an avid user of all operating systems and would love to tinker around with a linux port of HS if someone tried to create one.
That would give me a chance to learn more about Linux! Something tells me I need to know this stuff. Everyone tells me they love it. (Linux)
What about just posting the source code and then if people want to try and mod it and compile it for linux themselves...problem solved. Just state that there's no support for what people do with the modded source, and maybe create it's own forum thread so those of us who decide to mess it up can support eachother through our findings. I'm an avid user of all operating systems and would love to tinker around with a linux port of HS if someone tried to create one.It's not as easy as posting the source code.. HS uses a lot of plugins for AS3 that Bill had to purchase separately. Those plugins aren't GPL and he wouldn't be able to share them. I have asked if he would share the source with me in the past so I could learn some AS3, but he couldn't unless I had these plugins. Evidently some of the plugins that are used are quite expensive and definitely not open source.
xerox4100
02-01-2010, 03:11 PM
My goal this month is to start ether porting this into a unix environment or to make a patch or alternative way to make the application working in this environment
SophT
02-01-2010, 11:10 PM
My goal this month is to start ether porting this into a unix environment or to make a patch or alternative way to make the application working in this environment
Good luck- I've been playing with it on OSX (unix kernel) via wine and winebottler. I can get HS to run, but since its using windows API calls- there's just a black screen.
hagcel
04-05-2010, 05:48 PM
Anyluck Xerox? Just another Linux hacker here with a ten foot interface trying to build the perfect system. Starting work tonight to create a nice cozy environment in Ubn9.10 to run HS.
Maria
03-13-2011, 07:09 AM
there is hyper-spin for linux?
that would be great!
Janise
06-22-2011, 10:40 PM
I think I'll just be concentrating on the Windows version.I do loads of advertising within a Linux community locally and this would be something up their alley. Specifically for a large group of fellows who actively hold old school console tournaments.
poshko
06-24-2011, 05:03 AM
I'm primarily a Windows user, but I would LOVE a Linux version of HyperSpin to put on my older computer running Ubuntu.
OxKing
07-14-2011, 05:50 PM
Well its sad, cause linux users want to play,
and spend even more on free basis then Windows or Mac users.
This was shown on the Humble Indie Bundle thing.
And there may be more real Linux User then the statistics say.
Because not every bundeled Windows is used,
and a lot of surfing of websites may be from Office on work time,
when at home there is an Linux machine.
And the vast majority on the statistics depends on Office PCs.
On normal users Ubuntu might be spreaded more than many people thinking about.
But the truth is, the more cool programms and games are working on Linux,
the more it would be used. (Well, i miss nothing on my daily pc "work".)
But i guess when a projekt like this isnt programmed
right from the start on the posability to port it to other platforms,
it is quite impossible to do so later.
So this is sad, but we have to deal with it. :dontknow:
bigrich424
07-30-2011, 04:05 AM
OK so to kick a dead horse..... IF Hyperspin will never be available for Linux (which sucks but I get it..... sort of.....) what other alternatives are there? I checked out that cabrio :puke: I think running this front end with openELEC would be AMAZING!!!!! anyways.... dead horse kicked.....
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Right now... there is not enough interest in Linux to spend money and development sources on. Especially for a project such as this. A Linux version is not going to happen.
jahilton2002
07-30-2011, 03:02 PM
http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/popcorn_yes.gif
Hypnoziz
07-30-2011, 03:32 PM
I think this one actually showcases the exact reaction that Dazz has to these threads:
http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/oprah.gif
Haha!
bigrich424
07-31-2011, 04:24 PM
Yeah man..... dude is pretty anti Linux..... i mean smashing people for wanting to try to do something.... And getting attitude about it..... kind of a dick move. Maybe you don't have enough Linux knowledge to get it done but there are some of us out there that do..... How about running hyperspin on an android build (which in essence is Linux.....) but imagine an app that you could put on the market for 5 bucks...... that's enough cash to float this project for a while. But you have to let people try to get it done......... even if it is only
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this many people........ It kind of sounds like windows is sending you kick backs.... wait a minute..... you are Bill Gates aren't you?!?!?!?!? It all makes sense now!!!!!!!!
Hypnoziz
07-31-2011, 04:47 PM
Well, the script itself for Hyperspin can pretty much be copy-pasted over to an Actionscript compiler for Linux (can't remember the name of it!), but then you've gotta go through the hassle of dealing with EVERY area of code that depends on Windows-based directories, extensions, and overall files. Or if it calls any DLLs to get the job done. Ugh...I don't wanna think about all that work. Hyperlaunch - rewritten. All Hyperlaunch modules, re-done. No dude. I can see why they don't want to do this. Haha!
I'm not anti Linux at all... I've been messing with *nix since RedHat 6. I use Suse at work 10 hours per day. I have had it installed on my FTP/Torrent server box at home for several years now as well. I have nothing against it at all.
There are reasons as to why HyperSpin will NEVER be on Linux...
I'm sorry if I'm being realistic... I have done the research. There is not enough Linux users in this hobby to warrant money or time to development. Not to mention the plugins that HyperSpin uses and are required for AS3 development are developed for Windows only and are not supported in Linux. Before we could even think about porting HyperSpin; all of the AS3 libraries and some custom ones plugin's/libraries which cost $$$$ would have to be created in Linux.
Lashek
07-31-2011, 05:02 PM
Yeah man..... dude is pretty anti Linux..... i mean smashing people for wanting to try to do something.... And getting attitude about it..... kind of a dick move.
Not to sound insulting, the question about porting HyperSpin to Linux comes up a lot, and people expect us to change our stance on the matter...
The truth is, we have no desire, no interest, and no motivation to create a linux version at this time. There have been many people talking about re-creating it in Linux, and to them we say "Good luck."
Not once has anyone come back with a claim of making good progress with screenshots / video showing progress, etc. They just choose to sit around and wait to see if BBB will do something about a Linux version.
It gets tiring to see over and over and over, so pardon our ignorance if we seem even the slightest bit rude about the subject matter.
My personal stance: If you think you can make a Linux version, more power too you. Otherwise? Don't ask, because it's not even on our lists.
We love Linux, but it's been proven time and time again that due to the global dominance of Windows, and the ease of development for the platform, that it would clearly be developed for that. If Linux where the dominant platform, then this entire conversation would be completely in reverse. Currently, Linux' best role is in the server-side of things, and only recently has been catching on a little more in the end-user side of things. Probably due to Ubuntu as that seems to be the "mainstream" build that people go with for a standard pc.
Now if Linux had something as good as .NET (Mono doesn't count), XNA, and ASP.NET (PHP doesn't count) and is easy to blend all technologies together and interact without use of "perl", "python", etc then I'm sure it would become even more mainstream, but it doesn't have anything remotely even close from what I've looked into... Enterprise architecture ftw (although XNA isn't enterprise). Keep in mind, I can be entirely wrong on this statement as it's based strictly upon what I've looked into, and there is so much that can be overlooked regarding Linux.
The truth of the matter: You can please some of the people some of the time, but you can't please all of the people all of the time.
Rant over, and back to my hovel I go.
dogberry
09-23-2011, 11:00 PM
It gets tiring to see over and over and over
Does that not imply that there are enough people lusting after a Linux version to make it worthwhile? ;-)
Just out of interest, why do you say Mono doesn't count?
I'd be willing to develop something similar for Linux, and my first thought was Mono.
I love HS, but the deal breaker for me is that I have to run Windows. I did try it out on an older (really quite old and slow) mini-itx board of mine, and I was surprised to see that HS actually ran on it to a usable degree despite not giving it a fair machine to run on. I ran it on another machine at work (I don't have Windows anywhere else in my house) and it ran like a dream.
jeepguy81
09-24-2011, 06:27 AM
Does that not imply that there are enough people lusting after a Linux version to make it worthwhile? ;-)
I dont know if I would say 30 people re-kicking this thread is enough to consider re-coding HS given how involved it would be. (that is a totally random number i quoted, just feels like how often this is brought up by the same people)
I love HS, but the deal breaker for me is that I have to run Windows.
Just wondering if it's just for an arcade cab, is it just that impossible to use another O/S for your cab?
Count me in on the list of many others that manage various linux systems at work and use both linux and windows at home, and personally whatever works best I use that. Im not trying to throw gas on a fire, but this conversation has been going on for so long, it just doesn't make sense to me anymore.
Lashek
09-24-2011, 06:48 AM
Does that not imply that there are enough people lusting after a Linux version to make it worthwhile? ;-)
Nope. It's generally one new person signs up and makes his first post about requesting a linux version a month to every other month. This is not a demand, it's an annoyance, as a simple forum search shows the answer to this question, and the forum does a search for similar topics when you start creating a thread... but these users usually ignore this and make a new thread about it anyway. Note: You're an exception. ;)
Just out of interest, why do you say Mono doesn't count?
I'd be willing to develop something similar for Linux, and my first thought was Mono.
Please note: Totally not bashing Mono. It's a brilliant system and it's great to see people trying to make .NET universal, but it's just not 100% yet. I know that it's not exactly "trying" to be 100% as they want to do more, and this is admirable. Granted, it has been almost a year now since I last messed with it and things most likely have changed drastically in that time, but that's just my take on it.
I love HS, but the deal breaker for me is that I have to run Windows. I did try it out on an older (really quite old and slow) mini-itx board of mine, and I was surprised to see that HS actually ran on it to a usable degree despite not giving it a fair machine to run on. I ran it on another machine at work (I don't have Windows anywhere else in my house) and it ran like a dream.
One thing I never understood is how Windows can be considered a "Deal breaker." Granted, it's the most exploited system out there, and it's had many crap releases, but it's also had some good ones (2000, XP, Vista SP1 and later, 7, 8 if they let you disable metro).
Linux has only a few things over Windows out-of-the-box: It's free, open-source, and generally uses less memory, and on occasion, some things just run faster. At the same time, it's generally more difficult to develop for unless using a cross-platform API. However, doing this, you can't always do what you would like and specializing on a specific OS let's you push what you can do to a maximum.
I would say a stripped down copy of Windows XP or Windows 7 would give you comparable performance to Linux. For an arcade cabinet, this doesn't matter. Granted, it's a little more work than going with Linux, but again, it's the most used OS out there and more games support Windows than they do Linux (Although Cedega, WINE, etc, have come a long way).
I love linux. It's my favorite OS by far, and I use it for my servers. However, due to lack of compatibility, I run Windows as my end-user OS since it supports so much more and is "generally" easier to develop for.
dogberry
09-26-2011, 06:56 AM
I wasn't trying to poke the fire, honest, the first comment was more tongue in cheek.
I was more interested in the mono comment simply because I thought that there might have been underlying reasons for not wanting to use it, such as no asmx support or similar.
Don't get me wrong, Mono is great (although now sadly no longer in development I believe), but it doesn't come close to the Visual Studio/dot net development tools. In fact, nothing does. I honestly believe that if a credible alternative (and I don't count Netbeans or Eclipse as a credible alternative) existed for Linux, then there would be some very skilled developers developing for Linux over Windows. Myself included.
No worries though. The only reasons I say that Windows is a deal breaker for me is because I find it really unintuitive to use, sluggish - particularly on older hardware, and it's nowhere near as configurable as any version of Linux that I've used or am currently using without some serious hacking, and of course stability. I find it ok for picking up emails and browsing the web, but for anything serious it simply doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Windows 7 is getting there, but the moment you plug in some data capture hardware, it becomes flakey again.
When I was developing my home automation system, I originally used Windows 2000 (and some clients XP) - it simply wasn't up to it. I couldn't leave the server on for extended periods of time, the IP stack would crash when requesting that a client switch on a light or amplifier etc... For a long time I put up with it as I didn't want to redevelop all my software. One day, after one too many crashes/idiosychronies, I bit the bullet and redeveloped that whole lot in Python and Mono and put Linux on all my machines. Now, I can go on holiday for extended periods knowing that my system(s) will not only be up and running and detect intrusions etc... but that it will still be operating when I get home!
That said - keep up the great work. Hyperspin is the MAME frontend that I've always wanted to see. MAME itself is far and away one of the best open source, community lead projects I have ever seen, I've always been a little surprised (whilst completely understanding why) that not as much effort was ever put into making a truly stunning, configurable front-end.
I think you've managed just that!
merald
01-21-2012, 09:14 AM
Please make an linux version. I wont pay for Windows just to get an frontend. I would gladely donate some to you instead then.
rdhanded2
01-21-2012, 11:10 AM
Reading a thread is hard........
xagesz
01-21-2012, 11:18 AM
OH NO This thread is back from the dead. EVERYONE TAKE COVER.... Dazz Don't read above :D
Lashek
01-21-2012, 11:49 AM
Burn it with fire
jeepguy81
01-21-2012, 12:00 PM
FIRE IN THE HOLE!!!
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SophT
01-21-2012, 02:56 PM
and an "open" FTP because I don't wanna donate for quicker downloads! :P
HS WILL NOT WORK WITH ANYTHING BUT WINDOWS.
/I almost with with Linux but then someone would ask about Unix...