Ugh, what is it with this hobby?

[Dazz]

I really get tired of hearing people whine and complain about system requirements to run HyperSpin with full eye candy.

I just don't understand this hobby... People will spend hundreds of dollars to build a really nice looking cabinet and artwork, but then will toss a POS computer in it. This is like having a really nice looking sports car and dropping a Ford Festiva engine in it.

Come on people... HyperSpin isn't your grandmothers frontend.

[Garebear911]

Get 'em

[stovies]

:)

[sosfx]

True :)

[Jochitko]

I'm with you :)

[volumetric]

I believe my grandmother is currently using GameEx.

[Secret80'sMan]

My grandma just died and her dying wish was for me to set up MAME through HS on a quad core 2.4ghz machine with 4 gigs of ram, windows 7 64 bit and to be happy with HyperSpin. Happy to say her dream has come true.

Grandma, R.I.P.

[shimoda]

But how can I afford a quad core and the 22" rims for my hydraulic pumpin Crazy Taxi Spin cabinet? Man, something's gotta give, and it ain't gonne be those sparkling $2,000 rims, so I guess I'll use a Pentium II and that 512 of ram I robbed from my Ford Festiva's engine computer. Luckily, I created a new design for my ride in HyperTheme and with the new zipped features, it's 0% smaller than before!

[iammud]

We've seen this same problem on Kaillera for years! This is why MAME32k 0.64 is still the most popular online version of mame.

Though, it's true, mame uses too many resources, and I'm afraid to say it, but hyperspin does too!

Here's some things I noticed with hyperspin. A while back I recreated a few themes as swf backgrounds, using the artwork from the zips. Somehow my flash themes used less resources than the original themes did! I found this out because I was monitoring hyperspin to make sure it was dumping the flash content properly.

Another thing I've noticed is that hyperspin and mame compiling are the only two things that cause my test computer's cpu to run hot enough to cause the fan to run at full speed. So, I stripped hyperspin of everything. All that loaded was a black screen, yet you were still able to navigate and select games. My fan was STILL kicking on at full speed when navigating hyperspin. I don't hear that fan kick on like that when running naomi, typex2, e-amusement, ps2, or wii games. Why should I hear it when navigating a sound/video/graphic-less install of hyperspin?

If you get bored sometme, monitor hyperspin with a process monitor, it's not exactly pretty. However, in it's defense, process monitoring ANY windows application is pretty horrid, since they're ALL programmed poorly.

[Circo]

It's based on Flash, flash is cool, flash is resource intensive. So HyperSpin won't run on an iPad, other than that there are front ends for slower computers and there is this. Computers keep getting faster and cheaper. If you can't afford the machine to run it right, someone you know will be giving one away in a year or two :burnout:

[Trnzaddict]

I just wish the frontend was gpu accelerated. The people that complain because hs chugs a bit here and there on a new 2.8 GHZ i7 they just dropped a load of cash on when upscaled to 1080p+, well, i can see where there coming from. Those are the people i have seen complaining.

If your running a meager pc though, than go with gameex. It's not like it's a horrible fe.

Dazz your remark reminds me of the days of the Fast&Furious tuning days. People were dropping thousands into a car to make it look like it will wipe exotic sports cars out yet the same stock 140 hp engine sits in the engine bay:laugh:

[DynamiteSJ]

i rather have a full blown fe than having a turned down for compatability...

so im all for how it is... and with a beefy cpu. It ran smoothly on my dual core amd 4600 and that was a pretty slow cpu in my mind so i dont see why peeps complain.

Plus... if you were to buy a brand new game.. there is no way i'll run smooth in the highest settings.. usually you have to wait a year or so for tech to catch up. This fe is highly flash enabled and it take a bit to get it all running smoothly.

[shateredsoul]

going off that one guys remark (who stripped HS), would part of it have to do with the programming? If pscx2 is using less resources than this FE there's something going on there.

Personally, I only see lag when I initially begin the FE, I'm running an i7 920, 8gbs ram, ati radeon hd4850.. but I think the hdd is 5200rpm (it came with the pc), which may be causing the initial slowdown.

[jackhammersalm]

this isn't as bad as 3darcade, that is both cop and gpu intensive. GameEx is a media centre that just happens to fronted emulators. sorry guys that my view on GameEX. Hyperspin isn't that intensive but then again I doesn't work too well on my netbook. but it wasn't designed for that. then again you should look a SSD drives as well. or just run it off a flash drive a simple 32 gig could easily run the frontens and the emus then dump on a drive the other files like vid and roms. there are was round all problems

[Dazz]

going off that one guys remark (who stripped HS), would part of it have to do with the programming? If pscx2 is using less resources than this FE there's something going on there.

Personally, I only see lag when I initially begin the FE, I'm running an i7 920, 8gbs ram, ati radeon hd4850.. but I think the hdd is 5200rpm (it came with the pc), which may be causing the initial slowdown.Your lag is being cause by the Windows Defender Real Time. Disable the Real Time and the lag should go away.

[guyverjay]

my windows defnder is off yet I get lag when I switch on HS and I've got i7 runnng at 4.0ghz lol

[SophT]

going off that one guys remark (who stripped HS), would part of it have to do with the programming? If pscx2 is using less resources than this FE there's something going on there.

Personally, I only see lag when I initially begin the FE, I'm running an i7 920, 8gbs ram, ati radeon hd4850.. but I think the hdd is 5200rpm (it came with the pc), which may be causing the initial slowdown.

Again- HS is NOT graphics accelerated. So, yes it does have to do with the programming. Flash OCX 8/9/10 do not have any graphics acceleration, so it's all CPU. pscx2 has a graphics enabled kernel- so it can use that hd4850. HS can't, and that's why. It would look exactly the same on an integrated chipset.

[SophT]

Here's some things I noticed with hyperspin. A while back I recreated a few themes as swf backgrounds, using the artwork from the zips. Somehow my flash themes used less resources than the original themes did! I found this out because I was monitoring hyperspin to make sure it was dumping the flash content properly.

that kind of makes sense if you look at it from an instruction point of view:

1) provide your own SWF all HS has to do is call it and allocate memory

2) use HS and HS has to load all art and corresponding XML instructions and run them and manage memory.

it's kind of like the difference between java (compiled) and javascript (JIT)

[iammud]

going off that one guys remark (who stripped HS), would part of it have to do with the programming? If pscx2 is using less resources than this FE there's something going on there.


The program itself doesn't lag when running hyperspin. I just couldn't help but notice how hard the CPU had to work to run it, where as that same CPU runs say Makaron without all the heat. But then again, I never did add 3d acceleration into the picture.

I also realized after that posting that my theme differences were because I traced the artwork on some of them. Of course things are going to be different if true vector graphics are involved.

Plus, what's the point in a quadcore for an emulation box? No emulators support it, might as well have saved your money on a dual core.


*edit - Sopht, I just noticed your reply, and now it makes much more sense...

[clewis]

Huh

I'm running an old Pentium 4 and it runs just fine with all candies...

[Mechanicalleon]

I replaced the gutson my cab before hetting HS just because of a couple of mame games that ran poorly,one of them was carnevil, I had a pentium 4 system with 512 ram and a radeon 9600se videocard.

Now I have an AMD Phenom quad core, 2 gigs ram and a mid range ATI card in a PCI-e mobo, and a 1 TB HDD in SATA, not the fastest machine but HS with all eye candy on doesn't get a single hiccup.

Carevil runs full speed but the audio skips a little bit (MOBO has on board audio, maybe if I get an audio card in PCI-e may fix this)

I got all the parts for around 300 bucks and I'm a happy camper, now I need to make me a new cab, this one being the first one ever I've done looks rather rough. lol

[Keyser_Soze]

Does anyone know if there are plans for Flash and action script to start using the GPU in an upcoming version. That would be sweet and end the griping about slowness and we'd live happily every after... Or at least until will find something else to whine about. :D

[rrcade]

Huh

I'm running an old Pentium 4 and it runs just fine with all candies...

Pentium M 1.7GHZ OLD Laptop runs it fine too, why do you guys think you need a $1000.00 computer to run HS?

[Trnzaddict]

Pentium M 1.7GHZ OLD Laptop runs it fine too, why do you guys think you need a $1000.00 computer to run HS?

Well, to run all systems properly WITHIN HS you can't manage that on a 1.7 ghz processor. Go run null dc and tell me what your frame rate is.

Or try to upscale hs to above it's native resolution with that processor.

[DIYROMArcade]

Heh, I wrote a page and a half contribution to this post but decided not to post it. The key points were:


After working in the computer industry for 10+ years I have realized customers always want the latest and greatest, but are indignant that the latest and greatest actually costs money.
If you are experiencing extreme performance problems there is probably a hardware / software based issue other than Hyperspin.
People are always most critical of the things they get for “Free”.

I got married last year and the caterer we hired made the best impression on me when he told me this:


“There is no way you will please everybody. Everyone has different tastes and you can’t accommodate them all. If someone isn’t happy with a free meal, then screw them…”

LOL that guy was awesome…

[garwil]

Heh, I wrote a page and a half contribution to this post but decided not to post it. The key points where:


After working in the computer industry for 10+ years I have realized customers always want the latest and greatest, but are indignant that the latest and greatest actually costs money.
If you are experiencing extreme performance problems there is probably a hardware / software based issue other than Hyperspin.
People are always most critical of the things they get for “Free”.

I got married last year and the caterer we hired made the best impression on me when he told me this:

“There is no way you will please everybody. Everyone has different tastes and you can’t accommodate them all. If someone isn’t happy with a free meal, then screw them…”LOL that guy was awesome…

What he said. Now go make HS work on my 486 running Windows 3.11!

[Mechanicalleon]

What he said. Now go make HS work on my 486 running Windows 3.11!

I'm hearing midi dinosaur noises by the mere mention of windows 3.1